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  Logical Fallacy… can I get some help here?

  by DATA-DOG in

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  dr. leanna wen is currently spreading the fallacy that unvaccinated persons should have vaccines mandated because they are like drunk drivers… they have the right to be drunk at home she says, but wanting to be part of society at large without being vaccinated is like driving drunk and putting others at risk.

  besides ignoring the science proving that persons who have had sars cov-2 have natural immunity that equals or exceeds anything that could be imparted from the mrna shot, without the side effects or need for boosters, ( sorry big pharma, you’ll be losing $$$ ) this illustration just smacks of illogical reasoning.

  it reminds me of the borg comparing getting baptized to getting your driver’s license.

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  @Rocketman: The FDA says the same about the vaccines, there is not sufficient evidence to recommend its use, the FDA never approved it.

  Here is a RECENT meta-analysis of 15 trials: https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/fulltext/2021/08000/ivermectin_for_prevention_and_treatment_of.7.aspx

  Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin. Using ivermectin early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease. The apparent safety and low cost suggest that ivermectin is likely to have a significant impact on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally.

  
  

  What the media and those other media and half-scientific sources you claim say is about prevention of COVID, not about the treatment and they are intentionally mudding the waters, presumably on behalf of their corporate overlords. That is why I'm assuming Merck to be highly biased, as they are one of the vaccine providers. Selling a $5 OTC drug to only the sick is less attractive than a $25-75/dose vaccine to everyone. We know the WHO is highly biased, we know the government is highly biased, so why don't you point to an actual recent study like I did from a scientific journal.
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  Multiple Police Officers On Duty for Jan. 6th Protest Commit "Suicide"

  by Sea Breeze in

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  https://news.yahoo.com/fourth-capitol-police-officer-died-165444271.html what is going on here?

  coincidence?.

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  @Pete: that could indeed be the reason, or that they weren't going to support the narrative the commission wanted and thus their deaths were staged to look like suicide. It wouldn't be the first time, just ask Seth Rich or Jeffrey Epstein.

  It's quite telling we've only heard from left-wing leaning officers on the trial that had more comments about Trump than about the event.
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  Multiple Police Officers On Duty for Jan. 6th Protest Commit "Suicide"

  by Sea Breeze in

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  https://news.yahoo.com/fourth-capitol-police-officer-died-165444271.html what is going on here?

  coincidence?.

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  Regardless of the election, there have been plenty of riots last summer. Few were widely publicized and nowhere has there been a major uptick in suicide. A few people roaming around the halls of Congress sets them off?

  There were some minor scuffles, there was no violence done to the police (the case widely publicized was proven to be false), unlike Antifa and BLM protests where they literally attempted to murder police by setting fire to police stations while locking them in the building.

  Or maybe it has something to do with an investigation that seems to not be producing the answers they were looking for.
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  Logical Fallacy… can I get some help here?

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. social
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  dr. leanna wen is currently spreading the fallacy that unvaccinated persons should have vaccines mandated because they are like drunk drivers… they have the right to be drunk at home she says, but wanting to be part of society at large without being vaccinated is like driving drunk and putting others at risk.

  besides ignoring the science proving that persons who have had sars cov-2 have natural immunity that equals or exceeds anything that could be imparted from the mrna shot, without the side effects or need for boosters, ( sorry big pharma, you’ll be losing $$$ ) this illustration just smacks of illogical reasoning.

  it reminds me of the borg comparing getting baptized to getting your driver’s license.

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  @rocketman:

  So who cares?

  Well now, if you don't care what the CDC has to say about it.

  Is it appropriate to let thousands die while natural immunity slowly develops ?

  The data shows natural immunity has already developed. It doesn't slowly develop, given the fast spread of COVID both Alpha and Delta variants, it's unlikely, unless you've been living in the woods on your own somewhere, that you haven't gotten contact with the disease, as such you have most likely developed COVID resistance.

  Either that or everyone has been lying about the spread of COVID last year and it is a lot less worse than the flu and it was never any danger except to the elderly, just like the flu is. You can't have it both ways.

  So... since we're talking about logical fallacies:

  - COVID is really bad and it spreads super fast and its a danger to everyone, especially once you get elderly, and we've reached herd immunity somewhere around January 2021. If you're in a group that is highly affected (elderly or immunocompromised) then you should get the shot if you haven't gotten COVID symptoms yet or you are really worried about it. The data would suggest this scenario.

  - COVID is not really bad and it doesn't spread fast and it lingers around without spreading, so you need a vaccine just in case you haven't gotten in contact with it yet so you don't accidentally spread it in the future. The data does not support this.

  If you believe the data or not, both cannot be true at the same time. It cannot have spread throughout the population in the way that it did if you are likely to still need a shot because you never got contact.
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  Logical Fallacy… can I get some help here?

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. social
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  dr. leanna wen is currently spreading the fallacy that unvaccinated persons should have vaccines mandated because they are like drunk drivers… they have the right to be drunk at home she says, but wanting to be part of society at large without being vaccinated is like driving drunk and putting others at risk.

  besides ignoring the science proving that persons who have had sars cov-2 have natural immunity that equals or exceeds anything that could be imparted from the mrna shot, without the side effects or need for boosters, ( sorry big pharma, you’ll be losing $$$ ) this illustration just smacks of illogical reasoning.

  it reminds me of the borg comparing getting baptized to getting your driver’s license.

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  @Rocketman: There is no correlation between vaccine rates and death rates.

  If COVID was such a threat if you're not vaccinated, with only 50% of the population vaccinated, you should still see similar levels and outbreaks amongst the unvaccinated. You don't.

  You don't see that due to natural immunity in the majority of the population. Even the CDC says that natural immunity develops automatically (https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/immunity-types.htm)

  There have been recent studies indicating at least 50-75% (depending on the model) of people currently not vaccinated have been exposed and may have developed natural immunity.

  The fact that Canada has problems dealing with people getting sick has more to say about their hospitals than about the disease. In the US, except for NYC state-run hospital (which were overran because Cuomo refused to pay for care at empty privately owned public hospitals), no hospitals were overrun. In Canada, hospitals are overrun on a regular day as people often wait up to a year to get critical care (https://www.fraserinstitute.org/studies/waiting-your-turn-wait-times-for-health-care-in-canada-2019)
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  Logical Fallacy… can I get some help here?

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. social
  2. current

  dr. leanna wen is currently spreading the fallacy that unvaccinated persons should have vaccines mandated because they are like drunk drivers… they have the right to be drunk at home she says, but wanting to be part of society at large without being vaccinated is like driving drunk and putting others at risk.

  besides ignoring the science proving that persons who have had sars cov-2 have natural immunity that equals or exceeds anything that could be imparted from the mrna shot, without the side effects or need for boosters, ( sorry big pharma, you’ll be losing $$$ ) this illustration just smacks of illogical reasoning.

  it reminds me of the borg comparing getting baptized to getting your driver’s license.

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  “The fact is that unvaccinated people have more of chance of suffering worse symptoms from this virus with its new variants.”

  You can prove that is false, because there would be a LOT more people in the hospital as the new variants are much faster and more optimized for spreading and infecting than previous variants.

  The fact is that there are a LOT less people in the hospital. Currently 49.4 percent of the country's population is vaccinated. We should be seeing at least HALF the cases we saw last year if COVID was still a threat. We see less than 10 deaths in moving averages for states that have opened up.
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  Have you been vaccinated? Have you had any side effects?

  by LoveUniHateExams in

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  hi all.. i'm 42 years old.

  i have had two jabs of the oxford-astrazeneca vaccine.. after my first jab i experienced flu-like symptoms - shivering, wanted to lie down in a dark room, etc.. i experienced no side effects after my second shot.. how about you?.

  how many jabs have you had?.

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  Anony Mous

  I had a smaller dose of the mRNA vaccine during the trials, severe autoimmune reaction, injection side arm was red, hot and swollen for several days.

  Had several doctors analyze it, was told to ice it for the time being and that I was probably severely allergic to one of the compounds. As a result, I am not getting vaccinated right now until they find out what is causing severe reactions in some, Pfizer and CDC is refusing to share data on allergic reactions to compounds and FDA is just saying it's not an approved vaccine, so nobody is analyzing the data.

  No major other effects other than increased temperature and feeling tired the next day.
  
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  Please Keep Your Comments 30 Seconds or Less

  by IWant2Leave in

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  after listening to the zoom meetings the past two weeks, i started to wonder, what is the real purpose for such short comments.

  policy for 5 or more years now.

  supposedly, it is so more can comment.

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  It's very hard to create a subversive answer in 30s too
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  Logical Fallacy… can I get some help here?

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. social
  2. current

  dr. leanna wen is currently spreading the fallacy that unvaccinated persons should have vaccines mandated because they are like drunk drivers… they have the right to be drunk at home she says, but wanting to be part of society at large without being vaccinated is like driving drunk and putting others at risk.

  besides ignoring the science proving that persons who have had sars cov-2 have natural immunity that equals or exceeds anything that could be imparted from the mrna shot, without the side effects or need for boosters, ( sorry big pharma, you’ll be losing $$$ ) this illustration just smacks of illogical reasoning.

  it reminds me of the borg comparing getting baptized to getting your driver’s license.

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  False equivalence is a logical fallacy in which an equivalence is drawn between two subjects based on flawed or false reasoning.

  The facts are that most of the population has natural immunity, that's why we see cases dropping before there were even vaccines or a majority of people vaccinated and why we don't see a resurgence, even amongst the unvaccinated.

  People have either natural immunity or vaccines by now. Pick your poison. There are very few people dying from COVID Delta variant today because you're either immune naturally or artificially. There is no evidence that people that have gotten COVID prior or that have gotten the vaccine are spreading the disease AT ALL.
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  What Will Happen If You Do NOT Get The Covid Vaccinations?

  by minimus in

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  we are encouraged to all, if possible, get the vaccinations.

  if you don’t, we are told that we definitely could get the virus.

  fair enough.. but what happens if you decide you aren’t going to get the shots?

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  The virus can stay suspended in air particles because it typically gets there in bubbles of water that are warm and small enough not to land. On clean, dry surfaces, it dries out quickly and dies. On copper and copper alloy surfaces (most sanitary surfaces like drinking fountains and public bathroom sinks around here) it dies instantly.

  Also in the air, it often gets picked up and quickly redistributed, whereas on surfaces, it stays on surfaces unless someone aerosolizes it.

  Hence why surface transmission is not an issue, but air-to-air can be depending on the environment. Air-to-air transmission where lots of people share moist, room temperature air (eg. shared heating ducts) is the primary vector at this point for the virus besides direct transmission from person to person. Hence why lockdowns of parks and beaches and outside dining are counterproductive, because they force people inside.

  If you are vaccinated, you have nothing to worry about, if you're under the age of 35, you have nothing to worry about, if you share a room with vaccinated, you have nothing to worry about. If you're between the ages of 35 and 65 you have a minor risk of getting non-life threatening sickness. If you are otherwise immunocompromised, your mileage may vary. If you're over the age of 80, you will die soon anyways, but you should be careful.